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Writer
of the original work Fast Food Nation;
Eric Schlosser’ findings are reworked
into a fictional story that easily
depicts the fast food world and all its
falsehood.
Originally an assignment from Rolling
Stone, Schlosser took his findings a few
more steps further resulting in
the New York Times best-seller Fast Food
Nation; delving into the meat industry,
immigration and chemical enhancement;
Schlosser’ story may possibly grip the
audience and cripple the fast food
industry.
Your
book [Fast Food Nation] was primarily
investigative journalism. Was it ok how
they fictionalize the story?
Eric
Schlosser:
I started about a year and a half after
the book came out to set up a
documentary. I really wanted a
documentary made. I thought it would
have been much more logical. And I think
if it had been a documentary made it
would have been a much more literal
adaptation of the book. It could have
had a lot of archival footage. For all
kinds of reasons, it didn’t work out,
the documentary. And one of the reasons
it didn’t work out is, I liked the
filmmakers I was meeting with but I
didn’t trust the people behind them. I
was meeting with filmmakers who were
backed by various television networks.
And even PBS has a relationship with the
fast food industry. McDonalds is one of
the biggest sponsors of Sesame Street
and other television networks have these
relationships so I pulled away from a
documentary because I didn’t want the
film to be a sellout or a compromise.
And when I was approached to do a
fictional film, it didn’t make sense to
me. It didn’t seem logical. Jeremy
Thomas who is the producer and has the
reputation for being a true independent;
he raises all his money outside of
Hollywood. I liked meeting him but I
didn’t see where the film… which is a
long way of saying that when Rick and I
got together it was clear that if this
was going to be a fictional film and a
Rich Linklater film, this is gonna be
totally different from the book. They
were going to take the title of that
book and the spirit of the book and just
put aside the book. The film is about
some lives of some people in a small
town. And it’s just different but to me
it’s just as valid. It’s a different way
of looking at the same subject.
Fox
Searchlight is a big distributor. Are
you having any issues with companies
outside the realm of that?
Eric
Schlosser:
Fox Searchlight is like the independent
wing of the bigger movie studio and I
have found that especially in the film
business… is that the toughest thing to
do is to get the film made. Cause when
it’s made and it looks like it has
potential then distributors will pick it
up. Fox Searchlight was great but they
had no creative control over what you
see on the screen. And I’m not pure. You
need to have big corporations. If you
tried to not deal with corporations
you’d have to live with solar power and
grow your own food. Fast Food Nation was
turned down by all the big New York
publishers. The company that ended up
publishing it was one of the last
independent publishing houses; Houghton
Mifflin. So it took a smaller
independent company to do it. But as
soon as it came out, the paper back
rights were purchased by Harper Collins.
So Harper Collins which is owned by News
Corporation, which owns Fox… I had
nothing to do with any of that. It’s the
world we live in. as long as their
trying to get people to see the film and
as long as their trying to get people to
read the book I can’t control any of the
higher corporate stuff at all.
Journalism is fascinating, it takes you
to places and meets people ordinarily
you wouldn’t be introduced to. But as
you, as journalist knows, writing is
very lonely. What sparked you to address
this issue? Did you have 4 hours of free
TV time?
Eric
Schlosser:
lol. I got an assignment from Rolling
Stone. I started like a year following
the harvest in California and writing
about migrant farm workers. And it was a
very complicated story about illegal
immigration in America; but I told a
very complicated story about something
very simple; strawberries. Every
strawberry has to be picked by hand. And
if you want a lot of strawberries you
need a lot of hands. The way of telling
a very complicated story about something
we all can relate to. And I met with
Rolling Stone and they said we want you
to do for Fast Food what you did for
strawberries. That was in 1997. Almost
10 years later that seems like a great
idea but at the time I almost didn’t
want to accept the assignment. Because I
went to McDonalds I like hamburgers and
I like french-fries. I didn’t want to be
writing something that would put down
something because this is what I and my
friends ate. I told the editor that I’d
think about it. And I went to the
library and I started reading and I was
amazed. I was amazed at how powerful
this industry had become in a very brief
period of time. I was amazed at how food
is produced. At how work is structured
and marketing. And what amazed me most
of is that I had been eating this food
for years and I didn’t know any of this.
I was talking to friends of mine that
was journalists and they didn’t know it.
We’re all part of this. We’re all eating
this and we don’t know anything about
it.
I took
the assignment because the subject
seemed important. It seems like things
were being deliberately hidden. I was
incredibly curious to see what was going
on. It was a big investigative piece.
The chapter on the flavor industry came
out of a random conversation that my
friend had with a guy on an airplane.
She was sitting next to this guy and he
was drunk. He blurted out I make all the
flavors for Burger King. You think those
flavors come from the food but my
company makes them. My friend was like
what? This was my first book and I think
when you’re writing a book one of two
things should apply: the publishers are
giving you so much money it’s beyond
belief you don’t care about what you’re
writing. That Britany Spears biography
is going to pay for your kid’s
education. That’s fine. Or you really
find a subject you really care about and
you can live with for a couple of years.
And I knew I could spend a couple of
years on this subject. I had no idea it
would be a bestseller. I did it because
I care about it and I had no clue when I
had finished writing this book that it
was six years later that people would
still be talking about it. And you’d be
interested in asking about it.
Do you
know the impact of your book?
Eric
Schlosser:
I can honestly say I have no idea of
what the impact of my book has been. I
think about was going on in 1997 when I
started the research and all this just
seemed hidden. And certain subjects like
obesity and marketing to children; like
illegal immigration just weren’t being
discussed. And almost 10 years later the
conservative governor of Arkansas, who’s
a republican is kicking the soda
companies and fast food companies out of
the schools. If you look at how well
upper middle class people are eating
they are eating very differently than 9,
10 years ago. Whole foods, organic
production, personal trainers; there’s a
totally different awareness about health
fitness and about food. The thing that
hasn’t changed and that really upsets me
is that as upper middle class is
rejecting fast food these companies are
really targeting the poor. They’re
targeting Latino communities, people of
color; and their following the basic
strategies tobacco industries did.
They’re trying to persuade people in
China to start eating hamburgers which
people in China have never done. The
dollar menus that are so prevalent in
low income communities… there aren’t any
salads on that dollar menu. There are
cheap hamburgers and cheeseburgers and
their making their profit on big Coke’
with the hamburgers and cheeseburgers. I
don’t think the fast food people are
deliberately trying to make people sick.
I just think they’re trying to make
money but their going about it the wrong
way. I disagree with their business
practices. It so much more interesting
for me to see how really nice people
become complicate in a system that does
things that aren’t nice. That’s the
story of this country.
Fast
Food Nation has the same canvas as
‘United 93’ and ‘Death of a President’.
Why is it that films where the
background comes to life are so
attractive to people?
Eric
Schlosser:
I think there is a great tradition in
fiction and film of realism. Of trying
to show people what’s happening. It’s
almost like holding a mirror up and in
this case and taking the lives of people
you’d never probably see, Mexican
immigrants, who don’t speak English even
in the film and showing this reality.
There is another tradition that’s been
much more popular up until recently
which is escapism. Films about
superheroes and films about aliens with
special effects; some are good and I
think some are worth seeing but its
escape from reality; its fantasy, its
diversion, its… so many of these main
stream Hollywood films are carefully…
same way as fast food… carefully and
scientifically designed to make you feel
you good and make you wanna see the film
3 times. Fast Food Nation is not that
film. It was not carefully designed to
make you feel good. Hopefully it will
help you feel something. It will help
you think and feel and try to show you
what’s happening. Some guy coming down
from the sky and trying to tell you that
everything is ok… I don’t see that
happening right now.
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