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How did you get
your start in this business?
Ralph McDaniels: I started
off DJing actually. I was DJ Ralph
McDaniels. Basically outside in the
parks like the Grand Master Flashes of
the world and the Cool Hurks. And taking
my sound system. I was into like buying
equipment and things like that. Speakers
and turntables and amplifiers and all
kinds of things. And we would take it
outside and do a little house party and
DJ in the center and the school
basement, church basement. Wherever we
could play for a crowd. And then I
started to learn more about media. When
I graduated high school I went to
LaGuardia College for communications.
Then I got my first job at a TV station,
it was channel 5. And I was like a
production assistant, a PA basically
running around. So I started to learn
about TV and what is was to put a TV
show together. Then I started working at
Manhattan Cable. Cable was just starting
and I think Manhattan Cable was like the
first company. So I started working
there as basically just kind of like
observing the shows that were on making
sure they were running on schedule. What
they call like Master Controller. And I
did that for awhile. And at the same
time I was still DJing in clubs. Hip Hop
was starting to come up and get a little
more recognition around that time. Then
I started working at channel 31 which
was WNYC and they said that after you
graduate from college, I was in college
then at the time. I was NY Institute of
technology. I was going for my bachelors
then. I got my bachelors then. And I got
my bachelors, they said you know will
give you a job. So I became a master
control operator which just basically
meant like watching the programs,
setting the shows to go up on the air,
you know, putting in the tapes. While I
was there, I received some videos one
day, well actually I didn’t receive
them, they just came into the office.
And I was like what the heck is this?
And it was a tape of a bunch of artists
performing, R&B artists. And some of the
songs were popular and some of them
weren’t. But it wasn’t really a video;
it was like someone set up a camera in
some room and these groups performed.
And I was like you know this is pretty
cool. And I went to the station manager
at the time. And I said, you know, I’d
like to put together, actually I did put
it together before I went to him. And
showed him it. And said you know maybe
we could put something on the air you
know with these videos. After 6 months
after that, his assistant came with the
same tapes that I had showed him and
said that he was creating this show. And
I was like; I don’t understand what do
you mean you creating this show? And he
was like I want to create this show and
it’s gonna be videos. And I was like
that’s my idea. That’s were you got
those tapes from. I said well look you
know I’m down with it, whatever it is.
So they called it “Studio 31 Dance
Party.” And I was like the voice of it.
It was on for like 6 months. They didn’t
really want to do it. And they just
kinda let it go. And I was like being
that this door was like open already.
They got a new program director. I came
to him and said look this show was my
idea, and I want to call it Video Music
Box and I want to do it everyday. And
they were you know like, fine. And
that’s how Video Music Box started out
in 1983.
Why such a love
for Hip Hop music?
Ralph McDaniels: It’s the
music. It’s the combination of a lot of
things for me. It’s not just the music
cause I love a lot of music, different
types of music. But the thing about Hip
Hop, it was the energy and the hunger of
the audience. And at that time the
artist were like real hungry and
everybody was performing because they
loved what they did. And that was
probably the initial thing that drew me
to Hip Hop because I had the same hunger
but for TV. So it was kinda parallel.
So, Russell Simmons was a guy I knew
from Hollis. I had grew up in Queens
Village at the time. And I had knew, he
was running around, he was coming
bringing me records, he was bringing me
records, he was a record promoter at the
time, you know I was telling him that I
was getting into this TV thing, he
didn’t understand what, you know TV, he
was like I understand radio but not TV.
He didn’t get or understand music videos
or nothing like that. But he understood
how to promote an artist. You know just
being around guys like him and Baby DMX
who’s from Hollis also. Who was Run DMCs
original DJ actually before Jam Master
Jay, because there was no Run DMC at
that time. So, just the energy and the
passion I had in me and that was my
initial kinda, just being drawn to that
whole scene.
Besides Video
Music Box, what other areas of the
industry interests you?
Ralph McDaniels: Well
I've done a lot of things. A lot people
feel I was apart of that whole initial
fashion movement. When I started that
fashion show, which was a big show that
was done annually, actually biannually
in the beginning. And which showcased
people like, the surgeons of urban
fashion. When in the beginning, like
Fubu, PB and 555 Soul and people like
that. Karl Kani was a guy who like I
knew. And it really started from people
bringing me clothes from like video
music box. Like Fubu. I tell the story.
And Fubu came and used to bring us
clothes and shirts all kinds of stuff
like that all the time, you know, this
is before they were out. You know,
F.U.B.U.
And I used to wear it on my show and I
used to, you know, wonder where you get
these things at? And there was like two
or three stores on Jamaica Avenue that
had FUBU. I thought that like, everybody
had them. You know. And they used to go
with us to a lot of different places.
And wherever I went or whatever artist I
was with, like puff. They would ask us
to were our shirt. And that’s how I got
involved into fashion from that and
opened up a store called “Ralph’s Urban
Gear” in Brooklyn. Because there was
nowhere for people to get these
different kinds of line at that
particular time. We started the store we
had the phat fashions. I always had a
love for fashion because it was urban
and as well as the cotour stuff too. I’m
a little bit older than most at the time
so we used to get dressed up too you
know so. You had to have your little
suits and your gators. That was apart of
the look too especially for the
audience. So fashion definitely an
interest. Video Music Box of course is
initially what started everything off.
But I’ve directed over 150 videos. From
Boys to Men to Wu Tang Clan. A lot of
people always, I watch BET sometimes,
and in their top 20 they always pick
Cream and I directed that video for
them. Boys to Men the whole first album,
my partner and I, Lionel Martin did. We
had a company called Classic Concepts it
was the only black owned production
company there. Maybe, there maybe like
one black company doing videos. There’s
like a lot of black directors doing
videos but under white production
companies. We were like the only black
owned company and controlled the whole
entire budget. We weren’t getting paid
just as directors. And Hype Williams
came from out of our camp. He was a PA.
We gave him his first videos. And then
eventually he started to do his own
thing. So, the production outside of
video music box, I worked on Juice which
I was a main consultant on with Tupac
and Omar Epps. And did a little acting
in "Who’s the Man" "(laughing) for a
second. And always been involved with
the community. And it’s funny, because
this guy James Davis that just was
killed at City Hall, he’s from our
neighborhood in Brooklyn, where our
store is at. That’s his section.
Actually that’s not his section, that’s
where he lives at. So, he knows me very
well and he would come by and we’d be
doing block parties and he always wants
to come on stage and talk. And we’d be
like no talking, come Hip Hop Hip Hop.
So, I knew him really well. These are
the kinds of things I always felt I had
to be involved with because I remember
at one point when I was doing Video
Music Box; I had the opportunity to get
with Minister Louis Farrakhan. And you
know I wasn’t thinking too much about
it. I went to meet with him and one of
the brothers was like this is Ralph
McDaniels from Video Music Box and he
reaches millions of people. And he
(Farrakhan) was like, wow you have a big
responsibility. And I was like, well
what do you mean? You can shape what
millions of kids think. And I never
really looked at it like that. I just
looked at it like I’m just playing your
favorite joint that’s it. After he said
that, I have been taking responsibility.
But I think I took it more seriously
after listening to his words. I was like
you know what, I do have to be
responsible to these kids cause they’ll
watch TV before they pick up a book. I
have to balance it. So, yeah we’ll play
a booty video but I have to balance it
out. So I always try to keep control of
that and make sure we balance it out.
How did you
come up with the name for the show?
Ralph McDaniels: Video Music
Box, hmmm I don’t know, I just kind of
like one day, the TV of course being the
box, that’s where the box came from. I
wanted it to be, like when I first
started Video Music Box I never wanted
to be on TV, like the unseen DJ. I just
wanted it to be videos of music in box.
Then the words, the term music videos
came out. Then people would say “oh, you
mean music video box”. And I was like
no, Video Music Box. Because when I
created the name it was videos of music.
What about your
format from then compared to now?
Ralph McDaniels: It’s
probably more urban now. And that’s
probably because I fell victim to the
system in a sense. In the beginning
there wasn’t as many hip hop videos. I
remember we used to play Jimmy Hendrix
videos, Hall and Oates. I had no choice
but to look outside of hip hop. And also
when I was starting I wanted to mix it
up because I didn’t want the station to
think oh is this black thing. Even
though I enjoyed other things. I wanted
them to feel like it’s for everybody.
And I mean it still is. And it probably
would have been back then but it just
wasn’t enough videos. Back then there
was like 20 videos (laughing). And we
tried to mix it up. I like it back then,
the mixture alitte bit better. I mean
especially now, because there’s so much
garbage. I get so much of it. Then you
see the stuff that I don’t play. Then
you see it cause it gets played on BET
or on the radio or whatever on MTV so
they slip in there. I always try to be
more about show or whatever I play in
that hour to look different then what
you would see on any other channel.
There are big hits. You know, there’s
Beyonce, you know, she’s gonna get
played. Guys want to see Beyonce
bouncing around. But there are other
artists that are gonna be out there that
are not gonna get played on MTV that are
good. That are not gonna get played on
BET that you know, are good. And I try
to give them their shot on video music
box. Even in the beginning that first
time you see it. I always try to be like
another guy who’s doing it first. You
know like you saw it first then they say
I saw video music box playing it, but
now it plays everyday on MTV, BET.
That’s what we’ve always tried to do
with the channel. And as well as all the
intricate little parties. You know, they
not going to that party in Brooklyn that
everybody’s going to on Friday night, or
that party uptown that everybody is
going to. BET and MTV is not gonna be
there. And I know they’re not gonna be
there. Those are the different things
that are apart of NY from a video stand
point that national channels cant do.
What about the
way you announce the videos, I noticed
that you never put the names on the
video.
Ralph McDaniels: We never put
the names because we would look like MTV
and BET. I noticed when they did it. So,
let’s not do that. And that’s good cause
that keeps they’re imagination as to who
is this artist and why is he playing
them all the time.
What happened
to Big Kidd?
Ralph McDaniels: Lionel
Martin, my partner moved to LA maybe
about 8 years ago. He wanted to do
feature films. His first film was How to
Be a Player, with Bill Bellamy. He was
expecting, you know, got a movie and
quick it was gonna take off. But
Hollywood is strange, it’s a strange
animal. And it didn’t kick off. So he
started doing commercials and music
videos. So he’s still directing. He’s
still out there. Actually somebody
called me the other day, he’s in Atlanta
and they saw him out there. And probably
one of the most important directors of
our times because of the concepts. And
images from the late 80s to the late
90s. It’s all based upon something that
Lionel did. From the Mary J. Blige
videos that he did, to Jodeci videos
that he did, to Whitney Houston videos
that he did, to the Boys to Men videos
that he did. You know the texture and
the look and that’s where Hype really
got a lot of his ideas from.
What is your
“Key” to success?
Ralph McDaniels: If you’re
honest with people, people kind of give
you sincerity about what you do. Yeah
you gonna get some guys who are trying
to take advantage of you cause you are a
nice person or basically your laying
your cards out on the table. You know,
75 percent of the time when your honest
and you lay the cards out on the table
its
usually pretty cool.
How do you feel
about being an innovator for Hip Hop and
setting the path for young people?
Ralph McDaniels: Well, it’s
funny because, I never, you know, people
tell me that you know you’re a pioneer.
When your in the middle of doing it you
don’t look at yourself, like, in that
way. You know your like; I’m not done
yet, like no way, I’m not finished, this
is not it! When they say pioneer, I feel
like I’ve did it already and I'm like
no. I’m glad I’ve done whatever I’ve
done and I’ve shaped a large group of
people in the NY area as well as outside
of the NY area. And so I’m proud I’ve
had the opportunity to do that, so you
know, it’s cool.
What projects
are you currently working on?
Ralph McDaniels: Right now
where working on a DVD of the Best of
Video Music Box and hopefully myself and
Russell Simmons wants to market it and
hopefully we can work everything out.
It’s gonna come out regardless whether
it’s with Russell or not, but I’m hope
that it is with Russell because I’ve
always wanted to do something with
Russell. And I think that he’s really
good at marketing stuff and branding.
And that would be the key for us. We
have so many vibes. I’ve been to Jamaica
20 times. People will definitely be
searching for their shout out moments.
Moving back and
forth between VJ and DJ, how has that
impacted your career?
Ralph McDaniels: The radio
thing is something that…I ran into Funk
Master Flex. I was doing some radio one
time on 105.9, this underground radio
station. And we did some things on
there, just to kind of like say we
showed up. It wasn’t organized radio
like Hot 97. But it was cool, we played
music, it was like you know Hip Hop.
Then when I went to Hot 97 and Funk
Master Flex saw me one day and asked me
how come you never did radio? I was like
I just never thought about it. He was
like why don’t you come up and meet the
program director Steve Smith at the
time. And I did and he was like yeah,
we’d love to have you on here. But they
said you can’t talk and you can’t do
this and you can’t do that. And I was
like but this is what I do. And I
remember my director Tracey Corey say
and you can’t talk about Video Music
Box. I was like, alright, I don’t mind
not talking about Video Music Box, but
what can I talk about. It was like the
beginning of trying to fit into this
little funnel which radio is. And they
were a little bit difficult and I was
like this ain't fun. And sometimes even
now it’s not fun. But it’s important
that I continue to do that because it
keeps my name out there. Especially with
young people. Like the 15 and 16 year
olds who don’t know me from Video Music
Box but from the radio. Radio is
definitely different it’s very
repetitive. Its not as, you know hip hop
to me is very flowing its very
spontaneous, radio is spontaneous to an
extent but you have boundaries. I mean
radio is spontaneous but you can only go
so far and then you gotta get back into
that lane again. So, I’ve learned how to
do it better than I did when I first
came to Hot 97. I’m not worried about
it. It is what it is. I go in there and
do it and keep it moving.
How did you get
the name Uncle Ralph?
Ralph McDaniels: Red Alert
started the Uncle Ralph thing and it
basically came from a guy who kinda
looks out for people. You know like, hey
Uncle Ralph do you know how to get in
touch with Rah Digga or my friend needs
a job do you think you can help with
that? It was like Uncle Luke and Uncle L
(LlCoolJ) at the time. Now it’s like a
bunch of uncles everywhere.
What advice do
you have for people who want to do what
you do?
Ralph McDaniels: Just look
for new emerging scenes and culture that
are out there and just believe in them
and walk with them. I mean I believed in
Hip Hop. I was in the music scene before
hip hop kinda evolved into what it is
today. And you know what I saw I knew
that everybody in hip hop was passionate
about what they were doing. And I was
like you know I’m with that. And I came
from the early stages of it right before
it came to like the making records. And
I believe in it, I knew the people and I
knew the passion behind it so I ran with
it. Just how I enjoy House Music too and
there’s certain house music producers I
know. Like I know them all and I’ll go
to Jersey. Like Zanzibar, back in the
days I used to go out hang out with Tony
Humphries and my man Timmy played with
the shelter in Manhattan, which is the
same building as the speed. And you go
there on a Saturday night, there’s a
thousand people dancing to house music.
Black people white people. They got
great soul singers. Like I’ll go there
to see Patti Labelle. She’ll do a show
there because nobody knows about it.
That’s because she knows that that
audience is that passionate about good
singers. As long as people are real and
passionate about what they’re doing, I’m
into it. Like I’m doing a documentary
about House Music and that’s something
that’s also going to come out. And
whatever it is you know. It just doesn’t
have to be about music it can be a
certain lifestyle or whatever people are
into.
What are your
plans to celebrate Video Music Box
anniversary?
Ralph McDaniels: I want to do
a roast. And I want to get people that I
know do a roast. But I’m trying to get
people to do that. So we’ll do the roast
and a party.
What cats in
the industry right now that is making
music you dig listening too?
Ralph McDaniels: I’ve always
been of fan of Jadakiss, the locks.
Pharell, I like everything he does.
Who would love
to see make a comeback?
Ralph McDaniels: KRS – 1.
Just him as a performer. He’s Hip Hop.
Whets your most
memorable moment in radio and TV?
Ralph McDaniels: When we
taped Freshfest. It was at the Nassau
Coliseum It was Run DMC, Grand Master
Flash, Whodini. LL Cool J and the Fat
Boys. And that was the first time I saw
that big an audience into hip hop. Maybe
it was 15,000. and it was all mixed up.
And I taped that whole show and we aired
it based on the Freshfest. And I was
like this is big. You this is way bigger
than I could ever imagine right now. I
thought it was, but you never saw it
come together. You know, you went to the
clubs people packed in the clubs, you
know, like normal. But when you saw it
in the arena, and that’s one thing about
hip hop that it brings different people
together, but when you saw it like that
in one place. Its like aww man, this is
big.
What is your
saddest moment in the business?
Ralph McDaniels: I would say
BIG getting killed because I was like
what was he doing in la. Like why did he
go there? Like after everything that
happened with Pac I was like why did he
go there? I was mad at puff like why did
he have him there. After this day, no
one ever found out why and how, I mean
its speculation on this and that. I
think that it was really sad cause the
brother was a happy dude. He was a funny
dude. You’d sit back and many times we’d
just hang out and his whole demeanor was
just happy.
What is your
take on Russell Simmons Action Summit?
Ralph McDaniels: I don’t know
too much about the summit. I haven’t
really been involved with it. But I do
know that Russell is making some
political moves now and I don’t know
where he’s going with it but more power
to him.
Do you think
these summits do more harm than good?
Ralph McDaniels: I think it’s
definitely in favor. And I think that
with him, he’s always been one world, so
he looks at it that who ever is into hip
hop, and he believes that as many people
is buying these records, if these people
can come together like they come
together for the music, politically then
can be the strongest group in the world.
What are your
plans for the future? Taking it to the
next level?
Ralph McDaniels: Well like I
said the DVDs are coming. The Best of
Video Music Box as well as whatever on
the DVD side. Because DVDs are much more
popular than they were two years ago.
Like this year like 23 billion in sales.
And rentals alone are big for DVDs. And
documentaries, I watch the history
channel and discovery and all that
stuff. So I think there is a place for
hip hop there also.
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